Wednesday, July 2, 2008

"WE WANT YOU TO HAVE LOBSTER!"

My friend, Frances, keeps a blog she calls Cracked Clay Pot. Instead of replying to her June 19, 2008 post entitled "Spaghetti Sauce and Church," I decided to write about the topic here. You will want to read her entry before you continue (or risk serious metaphorical confusion).

Not only am I inclined to agree with her thinking on diversity, I feel a fundamental issue is curiously ignored in most discussions of church style/form/experience. [1]
"Why do Christians take everything so personally with Christ, ya know? It's like, not only do you have to worship him, you want everybody to. It's like, I like lobster. Do I go around pushing lobster on people? Do I say, 'you must like lobster? Eat lobster; it's good, it's good!' It's not only where you live. You go to Africa. You travel all over the world. 'Eat lobster. Have some more lobster. It's good! WE WANT YOU TO HAVE LOBSTER!'" - Larry David, “Curb Your Enthusiasm”
A growing number of people don’t want plain, spicy, OR extra chunky spaghetti sauce—a reality I believe to be widely overlooked by the church (and most believers in Christ). They don’t want spaghetti sauce, regardless of variety, because more and more people in America don’t like Italian food. They don’t care what Prego or Ragu or any one else produces because they find Italian food to be distasteful or overly simplistic or a key contributor to epidemic human obesity. If they do like Italian, they don’t understand why sauce should be required or they want only the sauce… noodles have WAY too many carbs. Or, maybe, they like Italian food just fine… just not exclusively. What’s wrong with Asian or Mexican or French cuisine?

My point: Only those who value spaghetti have a sauce preference. I wonder if this wasn’t among the reasons Jesus spent so very little time (comparatively) talking about the formation, structure, style, even purpose of faith community. He spoke rather, in words and example, to the formation, structure, style, and purpose of the believer. In fact, the apostles spent an inordinate amount of their energy trying to mitigate problems within and minimize the distractions of early Christian community.

I am not saying the fellowship of believers is bad or even unimportant. By no means. Even so, at what point did we come to understand organization to be the primary outreach tool? When did we shirk the personal responsibility to be what Christ challenged us to be? When did this become something we merely encouraged instead of the foundation of who we are? Why is it something we program, administrate, even cash in on? I wonder if the American aversion to Jesus is not more an aversion to a church who has used His name and message as a marketing tool for building its numbers.

"Between the first persecution under Nero in 64 to the Edict of Milan in 313, Christians experienced 129 years of persecution and 120 years of toleration and peace.” [2] During periods of persecution, Christian fellowship was an underground movement. Yet, it was in concurrence to said persecution that faith in Christ spread most rapidly. How was that possible without a local, socially relevant meeting, effectively advertised, with flexible catered structure and presentation to appeal to the diverse masses? When did worship (by way of style) come to bear the weight of ecumenical relevance in our culture? When did organizationally sanctioned children’s programs become the principle entry point for introducing kids to Christ? When did biblical instruction and evangelistic preaching of the Gospel become synonymous? Weren’t these once two different things? (see The Holy Bible: New Testament) Will a shift from traditional church thinking to community (mission) guided church thinking (organization) without a decided shift in the responsibility taking and vision of the individual believer really get it done in the long run? Is that what the organization is even for?

It is my conviction that we do not draw disciples largely because we do not equip disciplers. We do not empower disciplers largely because we have not really made disciples of Christ in the first place. What I mean is, we have made disciples of our church, our form, our style, our understanding… but it might appear that few people are meeting Jesus and engaging in deep meaningful relationship with Him—a relationship from which springs a deep and desperate passion to share His life, love, and spiritual rescue with others (even in the face of severe persecution). Sadly, it seems Larry David has not yet met a Christian whose testimony of Jesus is born of God’s desperate love and concern for… well, Larry David. We are not commissioned to propagate the church-going species. If that is all this is, then we ARE just pushing lobster—and it is ridiculous! God’s love for others must transcend our organization and be the fundamental motivation of its membership.

Getting someone to church isn’t necessarily getting them to God. Helping someone connect to God will not necessarily mean they will connect to your church. Building the Kingdom of God is not the same thing as building a ministry. Jesus didn’t die for churches, He died for people. He did not commission an organization, He commissioned disciples. Consequently, these people, these disciples are the Church… His Bride. When do we get to start talking about “the Church,” an entity (with common responsibility to Christ), instead of “my church,” an organization or schedule or style or event?

Footnotes:

1. Please note: (for those who read my post entitled “Two Thumbs Up”) This commentary is in no way intended as external criticism of Christ’s Bride. Rather, it flows from the growing personal conviction of a Christian leader. These issues strike me, as a foremost offender, squarely between the eyes. This blog is a dedicated forum for such discussion and discovery.

2. Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

James,
I absolutely agree with you. I feel like I am one who doesn’t want “lobster” right now. The point, I perhaps did not drive home, was/is: forget about “spaghetti sauce” and how it makes people happy, and start seeking what they really like, whether in a “spaghetti sauce” or otherwise. Also, to break away from the metaphor for a second, get to know people and not for the purpose of surveying what turns them on to church.

Great post, friend. I think my question now becomes- am I a discipler and what does that look like if I don’t eat at Red Lobster?

CaliJames said...

My friend Brandon posted this in his blog. I just read it and thought it might be germane here.

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I found this significant article from Time about the role religion is playing in America these days. It appears the monolithic evangelical movement is not what it once was. Here are some excerpts:

By DAVID VAN BIEMA Mon Jun 23, 3:30 PM ET

"Americans of every religious stripe are considerably more tolerant of the beliefs of others than most of us might have assumed, according to a new poll released Monday. The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life last year surveyed 35,000 American, and found that 70% of respondents agreed with the statement "Many religions can lead to eternal life." Even more remarkable was the fact that 57% of Evangelical Christians were willing to accept that theirs might not be the only path to salvation, since most Christians historically have embraced the words of Jesus, in the Gospel of John, that "no one comes to the Father except through me." Even as mainline churches had become more tolerant, the exclusivity of Christianity's path to heaven has long been one of the Evangelicals' fundamental tenets. The new poll suggests a major shift, at least in the pews."

"The survey's biggest challenge is to the theologians and pastors who will have to reconcile their flocks' acceptance of a new, polyglot heaven with the strict admission criteria to the gated community that preceded it."

The only religious groups to have a high majority of their adherents believe their religion was the only way to eternal life were the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Thoughts?

Unknown said...

Good topic. very deep and true.

So many people push their church or religion on people when they need to introduce them to God.

Dana said...

Wow! these were some pretty heavy entries! I have to be honest I had to read them more than once to make sure I was getting the topic correct. So now I would liek to comment on them in hopes I did hit what you were expressing correctly. I agree with what I feel is the majority of the issue of these blogs. "Church" is not where or how you find a deep personal relationship with God. The "Church" is though in my opinion a needed place to help people find that relationship. How or why you ask? Because to the unbeliever they have no idea where or what the difference is between the church and the relationship. Whose job is it to show them that difference. The poeple within the walls of a church. To the unbeliever the building itself is where they will "Find God". But if we do not have the disciples within the walls to help them filter this thought then yes we fail as individuals to do what as beleivers we are called to do. Spread his word and bring people to him. But with all this in mind we can and should use what is thought of as church in secualr terms to our advantage to help get the cheeks in the seats and go from there.
As far as teh sauces and lobster references(which by the way make me hungry) Of course we all have preferences of style,taste,or quality and yes asking people straight out may be a way to conduct a survey or it may not be. I think in this instance Frances hit it on the head with saying they wouldn't necesarily know what they like or want. So I propose that the real issue is comfortableness. Why do people not talk to others about God and introduce them to God themselves as opposed to just inviting them to church? Is it that they feel it is the "churches responsibilty to do this? Or the Pastors? Yes unfortunately their may be some who think this way but I say it is because people are uncomfortable sharing because they feel inadequate,not knowledgeable enough, or unequipped. Are they? Maybe or maybe not. I know I did when I first prayed with someone to accept the Lord as their savior. I was just so unsure of myself. In fact I referred them to my pastor if they had more questions because I was not sure if I knew the right answers. Was this bad ..no..but thank God I have people that I can go to or send people to for answers to questions that do not come from them personally but form the Bible they have been taught out of.
You know I just really think that a deep relationship with God can start in so many different ways and inviting someone to chruch may be one of those ways but of course we cannot leave it there or say well I have done my job the "church " can take it from here. As my pastor said "we are the church". You and I. But even in knowing that and believing that statement are the poeple, the "church", ready to take on bringing people to God? Showing them God's Love? Do they know how? So as James stated "It is my conviction that we do not draw disciples largely because we do not equip disciplers. We do not empower disciplers largely because we have not really made disciples of Christ in the first place. What I mean is, we have made disciples of our church, our form, our style, our understanding… but it might appear that few people are meeting Jesus and engaging in deep meaningful relationship with Him—a relationship from which springs a deep and desperate passion to share His life, love, and spiritual rescue with others (even in the face of severe persecution)"
With that being said it is everyones jobs as believers to teach ourselves and eachother how to share the word, how to spread the good news, and to be comfortable doing it.
That was a very broad generilzation Mr. Larry David gave of Christians who take things personal and have to push their preference of lobster on someone. My example is I had some friends, a couple, who a few years ago my husband and I were fairly close too. When we first met them they were Catholic. We invited them to some events at our church and to service. We really don't know when or how but somewhere and sometime after that they gave their liives to Christ. They however did not start attending our church but rather another church. Did this bother me? Maybe at first becasue of my immaturaty but not really. It was a fleeting thought of gosh wish they would come to my church. In any regard I knew better that what was important was they found a connection and relationship with the Lord where they were going anf that was GREAT! What did that church have that we didn't? Nothing, it was their personal preference. Or maybe there were people there that discipled them and they connected to again GREAT! Therefore although I had a preference for my sauce/lobster I did not push it onto them. Nor should anyone. But in defense to those who do, for the sake of understanding their position, I think they do it because they want what they feel to be felt by others to be shared with others to be enjoyed by others. It is some of our human need to have poeple empathize with us and see or feel what we do. So we want to share it and shout it from the rooftops. Unfortunately sometimes we miss the mark with this (hence your holyroller).
I LOVE my church, I love the poeple in it, I love the service, I love the worship,the fellowship ,the pastors, the strangers,everything! Would I like for people to come to my church ? Yes! Am I doing my job to get them there? No not as good as I could. Do I think that bringing or inviting someone to my church is how they will meet Jesus? No. Could it be? Yes. In conclusion don't depend on others to lead someone to Christ, try it yourself, it feels awesome! Don't think your job is done if they show up to church, keep inviting. Talk to people about God always or when convisted to do so. Be Real! So would you like to come over and have some pasta with lobster? It could be good!

Dana said...

I also wanted to comment on the last thing you said frances..the real question is to us isn't it? am I a discipler?

Dana said...

I was going ot make my comment a blog like Jim because it was so long but oh well!

Katie said...

My comment is also long - and perhaps warrants a blog itself, but here it is!

Lobster, eh? Make it a shrimp buffet, and I'm there! =)

I gave Fran a response regarding her spaghetti blog and saw that you had posted your own - so I thought I should also give you a response =)

I think I'm on par with your distinction between Italian, Mexican, Asian, and French cuisine and will call them Christian, Muslim, Catholic, Buddhist, etc. It certainly seems that there is a religion/belief system out there for any taste (as there is a certain kind of food for every taste). Some seem to even be able to dip into different cuisines, feeling very well rounded (no pun intended). Then there are some who are very hungry (because they don't like any of it) (or they are gorging on junk food) and are very much in need of some kind of nutrition.

But what kind of nutrition? How do we know what does, in fact, offer the most nutrition? I'll tell you - I hate pretty much most vegetables unless they are "disguised," but I know those are the best for me in any cuisine, and thus, try to eat them (and I could say that "church" would have been more fun if it was "disguised" a bit more and maybe I wouldn't have left the Catholic faith - but who knows).

With religion/church/beliefs, however, this concept of "nutrition" is where the food analogy reaches its extent… because with food I do know what is nutritious (even if I don't like it) but with religion, I can't say for sure which is the most spirit/soul nurturing endeavor (hence my decision to become (or to finally admit I'm) agnostic.

And while I understand that a common Christian belief is that we are equipped with "taste buds" to be able to determine, faithfully, what is nutritious, I guess mine are currently defunct (whether they have been made that way because of prior beliefs, I don't know but that is their current condition).

I also understand that others' functioning taste buds can help me out… but when you've got Christian taste buds and Buddhist taste buds and Catholic taste buds and Mormon taste buds… hmm… I'm still at a dilemma. (That is why when you say, "God's love for others must transcend our organization and be the fundamental motivation of its membership" I am forced to wonder how that is accomplished - how do we know when God's love is working in this way?)

On a different note - it seems to me that organization is used as a primary outreach tool because, well, it's easy. More than that, sometimes organization is very attractive to those who feel lost. (I'm not saying this is everyone's experience or even mine - it just seems to make sense especially as I study the very rigid organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses.)

Also - just a question (I have no intent to get into a heated debate - my questions are just that - curious questions) - when you write about Christ challenging us to be something…what is it He challenged? And are humans truly capable of answering that challenge? The reason I ask is because of the covenants that God would make with human beings - it seems that, inevitably, the human side of that covenant would likely fail since humans are not perfect and God is… So, is Christ asking us to be what we can actually be? (And yes, I understand the need to strive for ideals, but the problem with ideals is that they give us something sky high to shoot for, but we can only ever reach the bottom of the clouds…or am I being too short sighted?)

I can certainly see why people would have an aversion to Christ thanks to His being made a poster child for marketing churches, and yes, unfortunately people consubstantiate their (negative) ideas about church with Christ, when, perhaps, they are not one in the same. Why do you think people have negative ideas about church (the organization)?

"We do not empower disciplers largely because we have not really made disciples of Christ in the first place" - how do we do that?

If you were to talk about the Church as an entity, how would you go about doing that?

I'd really love to hear! Thanks for the engaging write-up.